2008
06
June

7 Reasons Why My Social Music Site Never Took Off

I read posts on Hacker News about “Why my start-up failed” and found them interesting because its a raw start-up story not the fairy tales that magazines like to write about. So here is my shot at it.

Last summer, I started developing a social music site, Contrastream. The problem: finding good indie music was difficult and a good reason why the 5 big labels control everything. The solution: a Digg-inspired site where you submit albums you want to share and vote up the ones you think are worth listening too, each album gets its own page with a YouTube music video, comments, etc.

7 Reasons Why it Never Took Off

  1. Design Perfection, I’ve heard its common for founders to spend too much time doing what they like or what they are good at. For me it was spending too much time perfecting the design. Not only how it looks but all the aspects of user experience. This would of been a good thing if I was a designer on a team but there was a lot more I should of been doing. Adding content, SEO, getting press, writing blog posts, and getting to know the early community to name a few.
  2. Underestimated the “Cold Start” problem, I read this article by Bokado Social Design which talks about a big issue you face with a social site, especially when it relies on user generated content. The value you provide to your users centers around the content on the site, so to build a user-base you need a lot of content created by the first users to kick off the community. In my case it was having interesting new indie albums always on the site. But user content usually follows the 80/20/1 rule, 80% browse, 20% interact (comment), and 1% contribute (add albums). So even though I had 10,000 people visiting in the early months, I still ended up adding 75% of the content. It was very demanding and time consuming especially being a solo founder.
  3. Market Size vs Business Model, the market I was targeting with the site, indie fans who knew a lot about music outside of the usual review sites, was small. I had planned to monetize the site with ads and in the process I realized that you need a LOT of people using your site everyday to make money off of ads, or a certain type of people who can’t tell the difference from adsense and site links. The people I was targeting were also notorious for not clicking on ads (similar to the tech community).
  4. Bad launch, the launch of the site wasn’t planned very well at all. I decided to use the “genius” marketing ploy of having a private beta to create scarcity. I saw a bunch of other sites doing it and figured it was a good strategy. I was wrong. Private betas are good for sites that have either complex technology or something thats hard to scale, and those two are about the only times you should do that.After the site appeared to be ready to go live, I decided to email Techcrunch about it. At the time I didn’t understand the importance these types of blogs put on exclusives. I figured they would take a day or two and send some questions. But about an hour or two after I emailed them, Techcrunch posted about Contrastream.Not only was I unprepared to have thousands of people come to my site right away, it turns out I didn’t get the chance to fully pitch my site to TC. Michael Arrington called the number I had posted in the whois and privacy policy which was my co-founders cell phone. I had used his because my phone was broken at the time. He called at about 11pm and my friend was sleeping, he also had no idea who Michael Arrington, an internet celebrity to most tech founders, was. In his half-asleep state he didn’t know what the call was about. I didn’t find out about the call until my friend had woken up a couple hours later and decided to tell me about it… so we were off to a good start.
  5. Competition, we had a lot of high quality competitors. We were offering information on great albums and community voting. But other sites like Last.fm and Hype Machine were offering the actual music. That was a competitive advantange thats hard to beat and we lacked a significant userbase to convince enough people.
  6. Motivation, having to consistently find new content was probably the biggest hit to my motivation for the site. As much as I loved indie music it was draining to constantly find new albums to post up. It turned something I liked doing into a chore mainly because at the same time I was busy marketing the site, redesigning it, and attending classes. (I was in college for business for 18 hours of the week).
  7. Co-founder, I had started the site with a friend, he was smart and knew a lot about business but in the end could not contribute much to the site. One reason why was that hes not technical, so he couldn’t help much with the development of the site and knowing who Michael Arrington was might of helped. The other reason was that he wasn’t really into indie music so providing content and reaching out to the users was a barrier.
  8. Bonus: Derivative Idea, I tried to avoid just listing the common start-up mistakes written by Paul Graham, but this one was pretty accurate. The idea itself for Contrastream wasn’t too innovative or original. It was inspired by Digg.com which had applied the same model to news and articles on the web. I still believe applying this model to music is interesting and useful, but there were so many other me-too digg sites. It was simple software to develop and it could be applied to almost anything. Plus there were open source PHP versions of it available on the web.

4 Important Things I learned in the Process

  1. Ruby on Rails + Mac, I had used PHP+MySQL professionally in my last year of high school but had become rusty over the years. I decided to learn Ruby on Rails to develop Contrastream and I’m completely convince it was the right decision. This is a language that lets you build applications quickly and stay agile. Like most rails developers I also bought a Mac which is another thing I’m completely convinced about, OSX has some of the best designed software.
  2. How to Get Press, I learned the importance of having something interesting to say, how to leverage a product launch to get press, and the other basics like press releases and messages.
  3. Practical “Getting Real”, I’ve read this book twice and had the opportunity to apply almost everything with Contrastream. Great way to learn something.
  4. Niche Social Networks are not Businesses, they are communities. They have to be built like a community. That means spending a lot of time building relationships, knowing everything about the niche, and finding users. You can monetize a niche social network but its really important that you don’t approach it like a business.

Bottom line, I learned more from starting this site then I would ever have from college business classes or reading blogs. As a music site it has hasn’t exactly “failed” at the moment, it still pulls in around 3000 people a month mainly from search engines. I now consider it a hobby site and I’m looking forward to applying what I learned with my next start-up, Integrate.

- By Dan McGrady

14 Comments

  1. Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    8th reason:
    - you tried to start a social network in a niche you were not a member of. as the founder, you should have been the #1 user, the one that creates new content every day, relentelessly, and showing the rest of the community how to use the website.

    (ok maybe it’s the case and i am wrong, but it’s a frequent mistake for first-time entrepreneurs)

  2. Posted June 30, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    What an incredibly refreshing post. Thanks for sharing it Dan. If failure is a much better teacher than success, I look forward to your second act.

  3. John
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Please use “would have” instead of “would of”.

  4. Posted June 30, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Wow,

    that is so insightful. Really appreciate you coming out and giving a candid insight into how you had done.

    Can you post a bit more on how to rally the press? I find that marketting is one of the hardest party in a startup and could really use some tips :D

    cheers
    Sri

    PS: Cant wait to see your next big thing. Good luck in the future.

  5. Posted June 30, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @Heri: I was the main user championing the site. I am a very big supporter of indie music and actively involved in various communities related to it. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to attract too many content contributors early enough and I continued to constantly add albums. The hard part was doing that while trying to maintain all the other responsibilities.

    There was also a direct correlation between my daily traffic and the amount of new content on the site. Not only did it bring in users it also brought in some nice traffic from search engines.

    @Sri, thats a good idea, I’ll post about getting press soon. I’m not an expert but I had the opportunity to meet with a guy running a PR over the winter. It’s an interesting field.

  6. Posted June 30, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    That was a great, insightful read. I love learning what doesn’t work. I definitely think #8 was your biggest problem. It’s a cool idea, but it feels more like a subsection of digg than it’s own thing.

    At the end of the day, though, you’ve still got a great site that didn’t fail, it just hasn’t taken off.

  7. Eric
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Very nice article. I particularly like #1 and #8. #1 serves as a good reminder that we should always prioritize: knowing what’s the most important at the moment and execute perfectly on that, instead of staying at the comfort zone to do what is easy.

    Totally agree on #8 too, I guess building a music community would need a very different approach and design than a news site.

    Good post! Rock on.

  8. Derek
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    http://www.thesixtyone.com is a social networking music site that has been fairly successful

  9. Srikanth Shirodkar
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Dan,

    Many thanks for your candid analysis. I am sure this investigation this will prove to be your new strength.

    Continuing the postmortem a little further,

    a. Had you created a project plan for the schedule dates – release dates, formal launch, press releases etc? If so, did you have any learnings here?

    b. Did you have a business plan in place before taking on the development? If so, what were the gaps you found in say estimating the market sizes?

    c. Between you and your co-founder, was there clarity of roles? Were there any implicit or explicit role-divisions? Does he blame you for anything in particular?

    He was not a techie, was not into indie music and couldn’t interact with your visitors… so was he made the co-founder to avoid paying him?

    Would be great to get your thoughts on these. Also wishing you the very best on your new projects :-)

    Cheers!

  10. Posted July 1, 2008 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    Very useful post dMix. I can relate to a lot to things written down here probably because I am running a similar online music community. Its called http://www.Muziboo.com and we are based out of Bangalore India.

    We could probably talk a bit more.Let me write an email to you.

    Regards
    Prateek

  11. Posted July 1, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    As a long-time entrepreneur, I find post-mortem analysis of ventures or projects written by their founders to be useful not only for the readers, but also to the author as it provides some thoughtful reflection and closure. Admitting failure is hard to do, but I suspect an essential part of what makes someone be ultimately a successful entrepreneur in the long run.

  12. Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Hi! I need this groups in mp3:

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    or

    the kooks konk
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    Can anybody help me?

    Thanks

  13. Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Thanks !

  14. Posted August 10, 2008 at 7:09 am | Permalink

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